Comments on: THE CATHOLIC DOGMA, by Father Michael Mueller (a Book Review) http://catholicism.org/catholic-dogma-mueller.html An online journal edited by the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Richmond N.H. Thu, 24 May 2012 03:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Anonymous http://catholicism.org/catholic-dogma-mueller.html#comment-4374 Anonymous Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:58:36 +0000 http://catholicism.org/wordpress/?p=3264#comment-4374 I wish to remain on the SSPX mailing list, but Brother Andre Marie knows *who* I am. The 2011 Angelus Press catalog states the following in their description of Father Muller's "The Catholic Dogma": "This refutation is NOT an anti-Feeneyite catechism." (emphasis theirs.) Yes, indeed, our good Lord does work in mysterious ways! In any case, be sure to buy Father Muller's work here at the SBC!! I wish to remain on the SSPX mailing list, but Brother Andre Marie knows *who* I am. The 2011 Angelus Press catalog states the following in their description of Father Muller’s “The Catholic Dogma”:

“This refutation is NOT an anti-Feeneyite catechism.” (emphasis theirs.)

Yes, indeed, our good Lord does work in mysterious ways! In any case, be sure to buy Father Muller’s work here at the SBC!!

]]> By: Brother André Marie http://catholicism.org/catholic-dogma-mueller.html#comment-524 Brother André Marie Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:29:41 +0000 http://catholicism.org/wordpress/?p=3264#comment-524 Dear Phyllis: I can't say why we've never reprinted it before, except that book reprints were never really a part of our publishing apostolate. Father Mueller clearly believed in "the three baptisms" in the sense that you will find them in the Summa Theologica of Saint Thomas. However, he did not draw the conclusions from this theology that the liberals drew. Quite the opposite; he confined it to the person possessed of theological (i.e., divine and catholic) faith, hope, and charity, and sanctifying grace. I've never read any of the Fathers comparing baptism to transubstantiation. Transubstantiation -- at least in its technical meaning -- is a theological formulation that comes after the patristic era. Of course, the essential domga was always there, that bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ. Did any of the fathers see this as a type of what happens to us in Baptism? I don't know if any of them made this explicit comparison. At best, it would seem to be an analogous comparison, for we are not "transubstantiated" by Baptism. Our nature is not replaced with another nature, but elevated by the addition of supernatural grace. In other words, the substance remains the same, but supernatural "accidents" (in the philosophical meaning of the word as a correlative to the concept of "substance") are added to it. Our flesh and blood are not accidents; they are incomplete substances "informed" by our soul and thus made into a complete substance. God bless you and may Our Lady watch over you. Dear Phyllis: I can’t say why we’ve never reprinted it before, except that book reprints were never really a part of our publishing apostolate. Father Mueller clearly believed in “the three baptisms” in the sense that you will find them in the Summa Theologica of Saint Thomas. However, he did not draw the conclusions from this theology that the liberals drew. Quite the opposite; he confined it to the person possessed of theological (i.e., divine and catholic) faith, hope, and charity, and sanctifying grace.

I’ve never read any of the Fathers comparing baptism to transubstantiation. Transubstantiation — at least in its technical meaning — is a theological formulation that comes after the patristic era. Of course, the essential domga was always there, that bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ. Did any of the fathers see this as a type of what happens to us in Baptism? I don’t know if any of them made this explicit comparison.

At best, it would seem to be an analogous comparison, for we are not “transubstantiated” by Baptism. Our nature is not replaced with another nature, but elevated by the addition of supernatural grace. In other words, the substance remains the same, but supernatural “accidents” (in the philosophical meaning of the word as a correlative to the concept of “substance”) are added to it. Our flesh and blood are not accidents; they are incomplete substances “informed” by our soul and thus made into a complete substance.

God bless you and may Our Lady watch over you.

]]> By: Phyllis Schabow http://catholicism.org/catholic-dogma-mueller.html#comment-523 Phyllis Schabow Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:12:05 +0000 http://catholicism.org/wordpress/?p=3264#comment-523 Dear Brother Andre: Because of your review, we are interested in selling the book, The Catholic Dogma. Bill Feeney would like to know why it is that SBC has never reprinted it, especially since it appears to support Father Feeney entirely. Is there anything in the book that might lead readers to believe a "dry desire," as Father called it, is equivalent to Water and the Holy Ghost? in the transformational Sacrament? Also, have any of the Fathers ever tried to explain the Sacrament of Baptism as being exactly like transubstansiation? In other words, the substance changes but the accidents remain. The substance of a soul prior to baptism is in his nature inherited from Adam. Dying in the sacramental waters, he rises again to New Life, in Christ, with a new nature - Christian nature and a share in the Divinity. But the accidentals of flesh and blood remain. May Our Lady bless and keep you! Phyllis Schabow Dear Brother Andre:
Because of your review, we are interested in selling the book, The Catholic Dogma. Bill Feeney would like to know why it is that SBC has never reprinted it, especially since it appears to support Father Feeney entirely.
Is there anything in the book that might lead readers to believe a “dry desire,” as Father called it, is equivalent to Water and the Holy Ghost? in the transformational Sacrament?
Also, have any of the Fathers ever tried to explain the Sacrament of Baptism as being exactly like transubstansiation? In other words, the substance changes but the accidents remain. The substance of a soul prior to baptism is in his nature inherited from Adam. Dying in the sacramental waters, he rises again to New Life, in Christ, with a new nature – Christian nature and a share in the Divinity. But the accidentals of flesh and blood remain.
May Our Lady bless and keep you!
Phyllis Schabow

]]> By: Crazy Cat http://catholicism.org/catholic-dogma-mueller.html#comment-355 Crazy Cat Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:07:58 +0000 http://catholicism.org/wordpress/?p=3264#comment-355 I have a photocopy of this whole book (rather sloppily bound together) that I acquired a dozen years ago - someone found the original book in a library and xeroxed the whole thing. I've always been hoping someone would reprint it, preferably as a photographic reproduction. It was a surprise and delight to see you used Bishop Daniel Dolan's motto as a header in your review: "Zelus domus tuae comedit me". His Excellency will celebrate the 15th anniversary of his consecration on St. Andrew's Day 2008. I have a photocopy of this whole book (rather sloppily bound together) that I acquired a dozen years ago – someone found the original book in a library and xeroxed the whole thing. I’ve always been hoping someone would reprint it, preferably as a photographic reproduction.

It was a surprise and delight to see you used Bishop Daniel Dolan’s motto as a header in your review: “Zelus domus tuae comedit me”. His Excellency will celebrate the 15th anniversary of his consecration on St. Andrew’s Day 2008.

]]> By: Doug http://catholicism.org/catholic-dogma-mueller.html#comment-351 Doug Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:01:53 +0000 http://catholicism.org/wordpress/?p=3264#comment-351 Touché! A most excellent and pointed review. Doug Touché!

A most excellent and pointed review.

Doug

]]> By: Thomas http://catholicism.org/catholic-dogma-mueller.html#comment-300 Thomas Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:11:13 +0000 http://catholicism.org/wordpress/?p=3264#comment-300 The book is available for free-viewing online: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Catholic_Dogma:_Extra_Ecclesiam_Nullus_Omnino_Salvatur The book is available for free-viewing online:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Catholic_Dogma:_Extra_Ecclesiam_Nullus_Omnino_Salvatur

]]> By: Thomas http://catholicism.org/catholic-dogma-mueller.html#comment-299 Thomas Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:10:22 +0000 http://catholicism.org/wordpress/?p=3264#comment-299 "One day St. Alphonsus said that he could bear in silence every insult offered to him except one: that of being called a heretic. We, too, are ready to bear in silence personal insults, except one - that of having misrepresented Catholic doctrine in any of our works." “One day St. Alphonsus said that he could bear in silence every insult offered to him except one: that of being called a heretic. We, too, are ready to bear in silence personal insults, except one – that of having misrepresented Catholic doctrine in any of our works.”

]]> By: Thomas http://catholicism.org/catholic-dogma-mueller.html#comment-298 Thomas Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:09:37 +0000 http://catholicism.org/wordpress/?p=3264#comment-298 "St. Alphonsus de Liguori, once said that he would welcome any cross God sent him except that of being called a heretic." “St. Alphonsus de Liguori, once said that he would welcome any cross God sent him except that of being called a heretic.”

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