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	<title>Comments on: The Popes on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus</title>
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		<title>By: Brother André Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brother André Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:

 Perhaps you can show whether, how, and to what degree a decree of a pastoral council corrected the previous magisterium, particularly in light of Cardinal Ratzinger&#039;s statement:

&quot;The Second Vatican Council has not been treated as a part of the entire living Tradition of the Church, but as an end of Tradition, a new start from zero. The truth is that this particular Council defined no dogma at all, and deliberately chose to remain on a modest level, as a merely pastoral council; and yet many treat it as though it had made itself into a sort of superdogma which takes away the importance of all the rest.&quot; -- Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, “Address to the Bishops of Chile,” (13 July 1988). Online; available from: http://www.vancouvervtms.com/wd/TradLatinMasses/Commentary/Cardinal%20Ratzinger%27s%20Address%20to%20Bishops%20of%20Chile.htm

And then there&#039;s notification appended to Lumen Gentium. During the course of the Council, the Theological Commission published a Declaration dated March 6, 1964. The text was subsequently inserted into an official series of Notificationes appended to LG by Archbishop Pericle Felici, Secretery General to the Council. It therefore represents the authority of the Council itself in the matter:

&quot;Taking conciliar custom into consideration and also the pastoral purpose of the present Council, the sacred Council defines as binding on the Church only those things in matters of faith and morals which it shall openly declare to be binding. The rest of the things which the sacred Council sets forth, inasmuch as they are the teaching of the Church’s supreme magisterium, ought to be accepted and embraced by each and every one of Christ’s faithful according to the mind of the sacred Council. The mind of the Council becomes known either from the matter treated or from its manner of speaking, in accordance with the norms of theological interpretation.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:</p>
<p> Perhaps you can show whether, how, and to what degree a decree of a pastoral council corrected the previous magisterium, particularly in light of Cardinal Ratzinger&#8217;s statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Second Vatican Council has not been treated as a part of the entire living Tradition of the Church, but as an end of Tradition, a new start from zero. The truth is that this particular Council defined no dogma at all, and deliberately chose to remain on a modest level, as a merely pastoral council; and yet many treat it as though it had made itself into a sort of superdogma which takes away the importance of all the rest.&#8221; &#8212; Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, “Address to the Bishops of Chile,” (13 July 1988). Online; available from: <a href="http://www.vancouvervtms.com/wd/TradLatinMasses/Commentary/Cardinal%20Ratzinger%27s%20Address%20to%20Bishops%20of%20Chile.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.vancouvervtms.com/wd/TradLatinMasses/Commentary/Cardinal%20Ratzinger%27s%20Address%20to%20Bishops%20of%20Chile.htm</a></p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s notification appended to Lumen Gentium. During the course of the Council, the Theological Commission published a Declaration dated March 6, 1964. The text was subsequently inserted into an official series of Notificationes appended to LG by Archbishop Pericle Felici, Secretery General to the Council. It therefore represents the authority of the Council itself in the matter:</p>
<p>&#8220;Taking conciliar custom into consideration and also the pastoral purpose of the present Council, the sacred Council defines as binding on the Church only those things in matters of faith and morals which it shall openly declare to be binding. The rest of the things which the sacred Council sets forth, inasmuch as they are the teaching of the Church’s supreme magisterium, ought to be accepted and embraced by each and every one of Christ’s faithful according to the mind of the sacred Council. The mind of the Council becomes known either from the matter treated or from its manner of speaking, in accordance with the norms of theological interpretation.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://catholicism.org/eens-popes.html#comment-21657</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit that I haven&#039;t performed a thorough search on related articles, but I think you must, along with the teaching of the Popes mentioned, include those sections of Lumen Gentium, a dogmatic Constitution, the fruit of a solemn ecumenical Council, a solemn act of the Church&#039;s Magisterium - which deal with &quot;Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus&quot;. Especially if you espouse Pope Benedict XVI&#039;s &quot;hermeneutic of continuity&quot;. Just as it can mislead people to isolate passages of Scripture from the context of its united whole, it can mislead people to select particular Church doctrine without considering the coherence of the truths of faith among themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit that I haven&#8217;t performed a thorough search on related articles, but I think you must, along with the teaching of the Popes mentioned, include those sections of Lumen Gentium, a dogmatic Constitution, the fruit of a solemn ecumenical Council, a solemn act of the Church&#8217;s Magisterium &#8211; which deal with &#8220;Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus&#8221;. Especially if you espouse Pope Benedict XVI&#8217;s &#8220;hermeneutic of continuity&#8221;. Just as it can mislead people to isolate passages of Scripture from the context of its united whole, it can mislead people to select particular Church doctrine without considering the coherence of the truths of faith among themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://catholicism.org/eens-popes.html#comment-9672</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pope St. Pius X wrote in his Catechism:

29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?
A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God&#039;s will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation

Fr. Michael Mueller, writing in the 1880&#039;s, called that proposition a heresy. Now, I don&#039;t think anybody would call Pope Pius X a heretic. So, how do you address this passage of Pius X&#039;s catechism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pope St. Pius X wrote in his Catechism:</p>
<p>29 Q. But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved?<br />
A. If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God&#8217;s will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation</p>
<p>Fr. Michael Mueller, writing in the 1880&#8242;s, called that proposition a heresy. Now, I don&#8217;t think anybody would call Pope Pius X a heretic. So, how do you address this passage of Pius X&#8217;s catechism?</p>
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		<title>By: Brother André Marie</title>
		<link>http://catholicism.org/eens-popes.html#comment-6231</link>
		<dc:creator>Brother André Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan,

The quickest thing to show them is the infallible definition of Pope Euguene IV from the Council of Florence, which does not admit of that interpretation:

http://catholicism.org/cantate-domino.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,</p>
<p>The quickest thing to show them is the infallible definition of Pope Euguene IV from the Council of Florence, which does not admit of that interpretation:</p>
<p><a href="http://catholicism.org/cantate-domino.html" rel="nofollow">http://catholicism.org/cantate-domino.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alan Fud</title>
		<link>http://catholicism.org/eens-popes.html#comment-6230</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Fud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some claim that people do not need to be Catholic in order to be saved if, through no fault of their own, they were never exposed to the faith because of the Church&#039;s invincible ignorance teaching? Is this true? If not, how does one address that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some claim that people do not need to be Catholic in order to be saved if, through no fault of their own, they were never exposed to the faith because of the Church&#8217;s invincible ignorance teaching? Is this true? If not, how does one address that?</p>
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		<title>By: Brother André Marie</title>
		<link>http://catholicism.org/eens-popes.html#comment-3987</link>
		<dc:creator>Brother André Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug:

Read No. 4: &quot;4. Blasphemy, foul language, bathroom talk, and links to immoral web sites will not be allowed.&quot;

If you look up &quot;blasphemy,&quot; you will find that affronts to Our Lord Jesus Christ are covered in it. Should you actually read our site&#039;s content, you will find that your false inference -- &quot;He must not be important here&quot; -- is just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug:</p>
<p>Read No. 4: &#8220;4. Blasphemy, foul language, bathroom talk, and links to immoral web sites will not be allowed.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you look up &#8220;blasphemy,&#8221; you will find that affronts to Our Lord Jesus Christ are covered in it. Should you actually read our site&#8217;s content, you will find that your false inference &#8212; &#8220;He must not be important here&#8221; &#8212; is just that.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://catholicism.org/eens-popes.html#comment-3983</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 00:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The disclaimer here at the bottom states: &quot;We do not allow disrespectful remarks directed at the Supreme Pontiff or the bishops in communion with him&quot; and &quot;Personal attacks against authors will not be posted. Neither will personal attacks against the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary&quot;. Notice how nothing is said about attacks against the one true Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. He must not be important here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The disclaimer here at the bottom states: &#8220;We do not allow disrespectful remarks directed at the Supreme Pontiff or the bishops in communion with him&#8221; and &#8220;Personal attacks against authors will not be posted. Neither will personal attacks against the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary&#8221;. Notice how nothing is said about attacks against the one true Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. He must not be important here.</p>
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		<title>By: John M. Blake</title>
		<link>http://catholicism.org/eens-popes.html#comment-3274</link>
		<dc:creator>John M. Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will we be able to obtain copies of Cardinal Biffi&#039;s book &quot;Shepherds and Sheep&quot; in English???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will we be able to obtain copies of Cardinal Biffi&#8217;s book &#8220;Shepherds and Sheep&#8221; in English???</p>
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		<title>By: Rushad</title>
		<link>http://catholicism.org/eens-popes.html#comment-2478</link>
		<dc:creator>Rushad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 02:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brother Andre, it is so wonderful to see an order of religious that is dedicated to defending the reality of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and the Traditional Latin Mass. God Bless you Slave of Our Lady in the work for the gospel that you do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brother Andre, it is so wonderful to see an order of religious that is dedicated to defending the reality of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus and the Traditional Latin Mass. God Bless you Slave of Our Lady in the work for the gospel that you do!</p>
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		<title>By: Brother André Marie</title>
		<link>http://catholicism.org/eens-popes.html#comment-2467</link>
		<dc:creator>Brother André Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 15:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Agbo Francis,

Vatican II teaches no such thing. It is conceivable that one might read that meaning into an ambiguous passage, but this would violate the &quot;hermeneutic of continuity&quot; the present Holy Father says must be applied to Vatican II. What the Magisterium has defined infallibly is binding dogma. Vatican II has not bound us to new dogma, and this is verified by Pope Benedict XVI. You must not stop going to Church. You must hold binding Church dogma and reject what contradicts it, leaving the judgment of Vatican II to the Supreme Pontiff — the only authority on earth who can judge it definitively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Agbo Francis,</p>
<p>Vatican II teaches no such thing. It is conceivable that one might read that meaning into an ambiguous passage, but this would violate the &#8220;hermeneutic of continuity&#8221; the present Holy Father says must be applied to Vatican II. What the Magisterium has defined infallibly is binding dogma. Vatican II has not bound us to new dogma, and this is verified by Pope Benedict XVI. You must not stop going to Church. You must hold binding Church dogma and reject what contradicts it, leaving the judgment of Vatican II to the Supreme Pontiff — the only authority on earth who can judge it definitively.</p>
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