Comments on: The Southern Poverty Law Center, A Danger To America http://catholicism.org/the-southern-poverty-law-center-a-danger-to-america.html An online journal edited by the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Richmond N.H. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:01:55 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Lionel Andrades http://catholicism.org/the-southern-poverty-law-center-a-danger-to-america.html#comment-1475 Lionel Andrades Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:17:10 +0000 http://catholicism.org/?p=11468#comment-1475 SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER’S CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) in its Intelligence Report (2006) and other reports, needs to clarify what does it mean by the ‘Vatican Council II reforms’. It has claimed that the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Richmond, New Hampshire has rejected 'Vatican Council II reforms'. I e-mailed the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at St.Benedict Center, New Hamsphire, USA in the diocese of Manchester.They have confirmed that they accept Vatican Council II as a valid ecumenical council and that they are in full communion with the Catholic Church according to the dioceses of Manchester and Worcester. An e-mail received from Brian Kelly, spokesman for the community, has stated, in response to questions:- Quote: Dear Lionel Our community is in full communion with the Catholic Church, and always has been. We have not yet been given any formal canonical approbation, although, technically, we are a "private association of the faithful." The diocese of Manchester is on record saying that we are Catholics, just as the Diocese of Worcester was previously. Sadly, this is not well known. We are not now and never have been affiliated with the Society of Saint Pius X. We are disciples of Father Leonard Feeney, not Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. Regarding Vatican II, we accept that it is a valid ecumenical Council of the Church. Many of its more ambiguous utterances are in need of further clarification in light of the previous magisterium. (This is by no means a radical utterance as it is accepted by many "conservatives," as well as "traditionalists.") We are gratified that the CDF has recently done this very thing in the case of the "subsistit in" question (see http://catholicism.org/an-interview-with-myself.html). Brian Kelly Saint Benedict Center Post Office Box 627 Richmond, New Hampshire 03470 2007 Catholic Conference: August 17-19 (http://www.SbcConference.com) Subscribe to «Ad Rem» (http://www.catholicism.org/ad-rem.html) Fr. Leonard Feeney’s community in new Hampshire accepts Vatican Council II. The SPLC needs to cite specific Church documents with references to 'Vatican Council II reforms' which it keeps mentioning often. The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary's teachings are in accord with that of the Roman Catholic Church. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney 1949 referred to the Catholic 'dogma' and the 'infallibile teaching'. The dogma was the same teaching of the Council of Florence, the different popes,many saints and Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7).The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary hold to the same teaching. (from the website Cath Net) SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER’S CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) in its Intelligence Report (2006) and other reports, needs to clarify what does it mean by the ‘Vatican Council II reforms’.
It has claimed that the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Richmond, New Hampshire has rejected ‘Vatican Council II reforms’.
I e-mailed the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary at St.Benedict Center, New Hamsphire, USA in the diocese of Manchester.They have confirmed that they accept Vatican Council II as a valid ecumenical council and that they are in full communion with the Catholic Church according to the dioceses of Manchester and Worcester.
An e-mail received from Brian Kelly, spokesman for the community, has stated, in response to questions:-

Quote:
Dear Lionel

Our community is in full communion with the Catholic Church, and always has been. We have not yet been given any formal canonical approbation, although, technically, we are a “private association of the faithful.” The diocese of Manchester is on record saying that we are Catholics, just as the Diocese of Worcester was previously. Sadly, this is not well known.

We are not now and never have been affiliated with the Society of Saint Pius X. We are disciples of Father Leonard Feeney, not Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

Regarding Vatican II, we accept that it is a valid ecumenical Council of the Church. Many of its more ambiguous utterances are in need of further clarification in light of the previous magisterium. (This is by no means a radical utterance as it is accepted by many “conservatives,” as well as “traditionalists.”) We are gratified that the CDF has recently done this very thing in the case of the “subsistit in” question (see http://catholicism.org/an-interview-with-myself.html).

Brian Kelly

Saint Benedict Center
Post Office Box 627
Richmond, New Hampshire 03470
2007 Catholic Conference: August 17-19 (http://www.SbcConference.com)
Subscribe to «Ad Rem» (http://www.catholicism.org/ad-rem.html)

Fr. Leonard Feeney’s community in new Hampshire accepts Vatican Council II.
The SPLC needs to cite specific Church documents with references to ‘Vatican Council II reforms’ which it keeps mentioning often.
The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary’s teachings are in accord with that of the Roman Catholic Church.
The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney 1949 referred to the Catholic ‘dogma’ and the ‘infallibile teaching’.
The dogma was the same teaching of the Council of Florence, the different popes,many saints and Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7).The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary hold to the same teaching.
(from the website Cath Net)

]]> By: John Chabot http://catholicism.org/the-southern-poverty-law-center-a-danger-to-america.html#comment-1457 John Chabot Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:00:14 +0000 http://catholicism.org/?p=11468#comment-1457 Raymond: I for one shall miss you. You remind me little bit of John Stoddard and it has been fun observing. Do take care now! Raymond: I for one shall miss you. You remind me little bit of John Stoddard and it has been fun observing. Do take care now!

]]> By: Brother André Marie http://catholicism.org/the-southern-poverty-law-center-a-danger-to-america.html#comment-1455 Brother André Marie Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:50:33 +0000 http://catholicism.org/?p=11468#comment-1455 Raymond: I do not know anything about this besides what you just wrote. My assumption is that there was a technical glitch of some sort. Perhaps we were doing a site upgrade or something of that nature when you posted. At any rate, your comment was not deleted, and, as you can see from your recently posted comments, your address has not been marked as that of a spammer or the like. Raymond: I do not know anything about this besides what you just wrote. My assumption is that there was a technical glitch of some sort. Perhaps we were doing a site upgrade or something of that nature when you posted. At any rate, your comment was not deleted, and, as you can see from your recently posted comments, your address has not been marked as that of a spammer or the like.

]]> By: Raymond L. Sifdol http://catholicism.org/the-southern-poverty-law-center-a-danger-to-america.html#comment-1453 Raymond L. Sifdol Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:27:03 +0000 http://catholicism.org/?p=11468#comment-1453 I stand corrected Philangelus. I'm the kind of person who admits when he is wrong, and right away. I have not seen a lot of that on your website. In fact, the SPLC has the SSPX on its list of hate groups, and the SSPX is of course Traditional, Catholic. With that said, I'm looking forward to reading Frank Schaeffer's new book coming out this fall "Patience With God." This is for people who don't like religion or atheists. The war between your organization and SPLC always reminds me that most groups need enemies. Where would most people be without their enemies? My general life experiences observing groups like your own and groups like SPLC reinforce my long held beliefs that people need some sort of enemy, real or imagined. Regrettably, enemies of some kind make organizations and individuals feel more secure. In the end, Christopher Hitchens is right to say that "Religion Poisons Everything." This is my parting comment to the Slaves. Adios. I stand corrected Philangelus. I’m the kind of person who admits when he is wrong, and right away. I have not seen a lot of that on your website. In fact, the SPLC has the SSPX on its list of hate groups, and the SSPX is of course Traditional, Catholic.

With that said, I’m looking forward to reading Frank Schaeffer’s new book coming out this fall “Patience With God.” This is for people who don’t like religion or atheists. The war between your organization and SPLC always reminds me that most groups need enemies. Where would most people be without their enemies? My general life experiences observing groups like your own and groups like SPLC reinforce my long held beliefs that people need some sort of enemy, real or imagined.

Regrettably, enemies of some kind make organizations and individuals feel more secure. In the end, Christopher Hitchens is right to say that “Religion Poisons Everything.” This is my parting comment to the Slaves. Adios.

]]> By: Philangelus http://catholicism.org/the-southern-poverty-law-center-a-danger-to-america.html#comment-1435 Philangelus Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:39:26 +0000 http://catholicism.org/?p=11468#comment-1435 The SBC keeps good company - Fr. Gruner, Michael Matt, Marian Horvath, et al. Viva Cristo Rey! The SBC keeps good company – Fr. Gruner, Michael Matt, Marian Horvath, et al. Viva Cristo Rey!

]]> By: Philangelus http://catholicism.org/the-southern-poverty-law-center-a-danger-to-america.html#comment-1434 Philangelus Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:53:57 +0000 http://catholicism.org/?p=11468#comment-1434 Raymond Sidfol said: "So, is this why Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary are on their hitlist when other traditional Roman Catholic organizations are not." I think not. From the SPLC hate list: Active U.S. Hate Groups in 2008 Radical Traditionalist Catholic 14 Hate Groups Found » Read a list of hate incidents "Radical traditionalist Catholic" groups are organizations that embrace anti-Semitism and whose theology is typically rejected by the Vatican and mainstream Catholics in general. City Chapter Group California Los Angeles · Tradition in Action Radical Traditionalist Catholic Palmdale · OMNI Christian Book Club Radical Traditionalist Catholic Indiana South Bend · Culture Wars/Fidelity Press Radical Traditionalist Catholic · St. Joseph Forum Radical Traditionalist Catholic Minnesota Forest Lake · The Remnant/The Remnant Press Radical Traditionalist Catholic New Hampshire Richmond · Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary Radical Traditionalist Catholic New York Constable · The Fatima Crusader/International Fatima Rosary Crusade Radical Traditionalist Catholic Niagara Falls · "Catholic Family News/Catholic Family Ministries, Inc." Radical Traditionalist Catholic Pennsylvania Broomall · Catholic Counterpoint Radical Traditionalist Catholic Pleasant Unity · Alliance for Catholic Tradition Radical Traditionalist Catholic State Line · Catholic Apologetics International Radical Traditionalist Catholic Virginia Norfolk · Legion of St. Louis/IHS Press Radical Traditionalist Catholic Suffolk · In the Spirit of Chartres Committee Radical Traditionalist Catholic Washington Spokane · St. Michael's Parish/Mount St. Michael Radical Traditionalist Catholic Raymond Sidfol said: “So, is this why Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary are on their hitlist when other traditional Roman Catholic organizations are not.”

I think not. From the SPLC hate list:

Active U.S. Hate Groups in 2008
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
14 Hate Groups Found
» Read a list of hate incidents
“Radical traditionalist Catholic” groups are organizations that embrace anti-Semitism and whose theology is typically rejected by the Vatican and mainstream Catholics in general.
City Chapter Group
California
Los Angeles
· Tradition in Action
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
Palmdale
· OMNI Christian Book Club
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
Indiana
South Bend
· Culture Wars/Fidelity Press
Radical Traditionalist Catholic

· St. Joseph Forum
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
Minnesota
Forest Lake
· The Remnant/The Remnant Press
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
New Hampshire
Richmond
· Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
New York
Constable
· The Fatima Crusader/International Fatima Rosary Crusade
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
Niagara Falls
· “Catholic Family News/Catholic Family Ministries, Inc.”
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
Pennsylvania
Broomall
· Catholic Counterpoint
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
Pleasant Unity
· Alliance for Catholic Tradition
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
State Line
· Catholic Apologetics International
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
Virginia
Norfolk
· Legion of St. Louis/IHS Press
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
Suffolk
· In the Spirit of Chartres Committee
Radical Traditionalist Catholic
Washington
Spokane
· St. Michael’s Parish/Mount St. Michael
Radical Traditionalist Catholic

]]> By: Raymond L. Sifdol http://catholicism.org/the-southern-poverty-law-center-a-danger-to-america.html#comment-1433 Raymond L. Sifdol Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:37:33 +0000 http://catholicism.org/?p=11468#comment-1433 Dear Brother Andre Marie: I just attempted to send you a response to your comment of 2:47 pm August 14th, 2009 and it did not even show up on the screen for moderation. If you would be so kind as to contact me by email I would appreciate it. I think we need to get things straightened out. If you feel that my comments have irritated you too much, then I can terminate my comments/contributions to your website, or you can expunge me from your website completely. However, I would like to have an understanding on this. Thanks. Dear Brother Andre Marie:

I just attempted to send you a response to your comment of 2:47 pm August 14th, 2009 and it did not even show up on the screen for moderation. If you would be so kind as to contact me by email I would appreciate it. I think we need to get things straightened out. If you feel that my comments have irritated you too much, then I can terminate my comments/contributions to your website, or you can expunge me from your website completely. However, I would like to have an understanding on this. Thanks.

]]> By: Brother André Marie http://catholicism.org/the-southern-poverty-law-center-a-danger-to-america.html#comment-1431 Brother André Marie Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:47:12 +0000 http://catholicism.org/?p=11468#comment-1431 I'll make sure old Phil knows your thoughts. He's a cantankerous fellow, so he'll probably not care very much. If I had a nickel for every life saved thanks to the vigilance of the SPLC, I bet I couldn't buy a small cup of coffee at Dunkin Donuts. Your opinion of them is just as inflated as they would like it to be. But don't worry, the folks at NPR agree. I heard the SPLC quoted as experts on that network the other day. (Would that traditional conservatives could get government grants to run classical radio stations!) I’ll make sure old Phil knows your thoughts. He’s a cantankerous fellow, so he’ll probably not care very much.

If I had a nickel for every life saved thanks to the vigilance of the SPLC, I bet I couldn’t buy a small cup of coffee at Dunkin Donuts. Your opinion of them is just as inflated as they would like it to be. But don’t worry, the folks at NPR agree. I heard the SPLC quoted as experts on that network the other day. (Would that traditional conservatives could get government grants to run classical radio stations!)

]]> By: Raymond L. Sifdol http://catholicism.org/the-southern-poverty-law-center-a-danger-to-america.html#comment-1430 Raymond L. Sifdol Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:49:12 +0000 http://catholicism.org/?p=11468#comment-1430 Finally, Brother Andre Marie, a logical answer. You just don't care what the people at SPLC believe or think about anything. That settles it. That would have taken care of everything in the first place. Nevertheless, the SPLC serves a "good" purpose in identifying truly dangerous and real hate groups such as neo-Nazis etc. etc. No doubt they are a thorn in the side of many, but then so are neo Confederates and so on. On that note, the rant against the SPLC by "The Philosopher" was not very well written. Finally, Brother Andre Marie, a logical answer. You just don’t care what the people at SPLC believe or think about anything. That settles it. That would have taken care of everything in the first place. Nevertheless, the SPLC serves a “good” purpose in identifying truly dangerous and real hate groups such as neo-Nazis etc. etc. No doubt they are a thorn in the side of many, but then so are neo Confederates and so on. On that note, the rant against the SPLC by “The Philosopher” was not very well written.

]]> By: Brother André Marie http://catholicism.org/the-southern-poverty-law-center-a-danger-to-america.html#comment-1426 Brother André Marie Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:48:10 +0000 http://catholicism.org/?p=11468#comment-1426 Funny, Raymond. If I actually cared what these folks thought, I might spend sleepless nights trying to figure out how to get them to remove their evil eye from us. Thankfully, I have other things with which to concern myself. I'll take my habit over a paramilitary uniform, my rosary over a gun, the Mass over a drill, and Christ the King over Che, or Adolf any day. Today is the feast of Saint Maximilian Maria Kolbe, that great martyr of charity and victim of Nazi anti-Catholic hatred. He, too, has been attacked by the same types as have attacked us. (For that matter, so has Pius XII, who has been maligned as "Hitler's Pope.) Funny, Raymond. If I actually cared what these folks thought, I might spend sleepless nights trying to figure out how to get them to remove their evil eye from us. Thankfully, I have other things with which to concern myself.

I’ll take my habit over a paramilitary uniform, my rosary over a gun, the Mass over a drill, and Christ the King over Che, or Adolf any day.

Today is the feast of Saint Maximilian Maria Kolbe, that great martyr of charity and victim of Nazi anti-Catholic hatred. He, too, has been attacked by the same types as have attacked us. (For that matter, so has Pius XII, who has been maligned as “Hitler’s Pope.)

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