Medjugorje: Another View

The following is taken, with permission, from a dossier on Medjugorje originally appearing on the world wide web at http://users.owt.com/rc_poe/solrobin.htm (the URL is no longer active). Its author is a Catholic lady who has based her objections to Medjugorje on Catholic doctrine, the most reliable guide in dealing with alleged supernatural phenomena.

In addition to what we have reprinted here, showing how this supposed apparition contradicts Catholic teaching, the author in her original has posted several authoritative condemnations issued by the local bishop in Croatia.

In our view, the happenings at Medjugorje are not only not divine, but in fact may be diabolical. In response, many proponents of Medjugorje would claim that the apparition has borne the “good fruits” of conversions, increased sacramental confessions, recitation of the Rosary, Marian devotion, and a host of other very Catholic manifestations. We answer that the devil is willing to suffer these effects as long as he can keep his dark mantle over Catholic doctrine, which itself is necessary to make any such fruits efficacious.

As the following proves, the heresy of Medjugorje is that men can be saved in whatever religion they choose. —Editor

What is Medjugorje Saying?

When I first heard that the Blessed Virgin Mary was appearing in Medjugorje back in 1987, I thought, “Hey, it could happen,” but as I began to hear things that the Blessed Virgin Mary allegedly was saying, I thought, “Something is very wrong here.” Many of the sayings of the “Our Lady of Medjugorje” very closely resembled the heresy of indifferentism [i.e., that man can be saved in any religion -Ed.]. The following are some samples of the teachings of “Our Lady of Medjugorje” compared with the infallible teachings of the Holy Catholic Church.

What the Church Says

Ex Cathedra : “There is but one universal Church of the faithful outside of which no one at all can be saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215 A.D.)

Ex Cathedra : “The most Holy Roman Catholic Church firmly believes, professes, and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino , 1441 A.D.)

Ex Cathedra: “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam , 1302 A.D.)

Cross at Križevac Hill in Medjugorje (Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic)

Cross at Križevac Hill in Medjugorje, by CJ (Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic) source

What Medjugorje Says

“God presides over all religions as a king controls his subjects, through his priests and ministers.” (Svetozar Krljevic O.F.M., The Apparitions of Our Lady of Medjugorje , Franciscan Herald Press, 1984.)

Seer Ivanka Ivankovic: “The Madonna always stresses that there is but one God and that people have enforced unnatural separation. One cannot truly believe, be a true Christian, if he does not respect other religions as well.” (The Apparitions of Our Lady of Medjugorje , Franciscan Herald Press, 1984.)

Seer Ivanka Ivankovic: “The Madonna said that religions are separated in the earth, but the people of all religions are accepted by her Son.” (The Apparitions of Our Lady of Medjugorje , Franciscan Herald Press, 1984.)

Question: “Is the Blessed Mother calling all people to be Catholic?”

Seer Vicka Ivankovic: “No. The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son.” (Janice T. Connell, The Visions of the Children, The Apparitions of the Blessed Mother at Medjugorje , St. Martin’s Press, August, 1992.)

Locutionist Jelena Vasilij: “The Blessed Mother has said: ‘Tell everyone that it is you who are divided on earth. The Moslems and the Orthodox for the same reason as Catholics, are equal before my Son and me.'”

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  • RE: “None of those existing outside the Catholic Church…..”

    This is true if/when a pagan, or a Jew, or a Protestant truly knows/believes that the Catholic Church is the true Church yet he or she refuses to join her before his/her death.

    However, a pagan, a Jew, or a Protestant is not condemned outright when/if he/she is completely ignorant of the fact that the Catholic Church is the true Church and therefore he/she refuses to join her before death. This teaching is confirmed by CCC #846 and 847. See also http://www.religioustolerance.org/rcc_salv.htm

    Romans 2:12-16 “For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.”

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  • Zal

    Thank you sincerely Brother Andre Marie: It is gratifying to hear these words from you about these reported “apparitions.”

    As you well know, the Roman Curia (the new Church Committee to look into this
    matter) has a dilemma about what to do with Medjugorje. For instance, what will they do with all the ‘Medjugorians’ throughout the world if they say it is not genuine? And likewise, if approved, to those who oppose it. These daily “visions” cannot be visions as we understand the term. The seer gets daily messages???? And surely, the most egregious fact is that Mary is appearing to the seer as if “on demand” to ‘satisfy’ the Pilgrims.

    I put this to you and all peoples of the world, not only Catholics: If Mary was truly appearing daily, I or anyone else would never leave or desire to leave the sacred ground on which she
    appears. Four of the Five seers have left Medjugorje.

    I do not fault the Pilgrims, I fault those instrumental in promoting this ‘site’ over dozens of years. In the end, Rome will not approve this apparition site. They can’t – there are just toooooo many problems, many of which have already been disclosed.

    Thank you for listening to me, Sincerely in Christ and His Immaculate Mother, Mary. I am Zal, OCDS

  • joanstevenson55

    The above citations from the so called “seers” are just the tip of the iceberg. There have been messages by “Mary” against the local Bishop, as well as massive amounts of disobedience on the part of the Franciscans. This along with a priest & nun directly involved with the seers living together, getting pregnant, then having to move away. The Bishop has outlined all of this on the Diocese website. The local Bishop has of course been “demonized” by the seers, as well as those who follow the seers and written off by many as “political battles” rather than the sinful disobedience and discord among the faithful.
    The question is would satan tell 99% truths to get in 1% lies? Hell yes! Would satan love to have millions rebel against the church for its official findings of this place as being fraudulent? Hell yes! The latter of the 2 will cause a great many of them to fall away from the Church and to doubt their conversion, as well as doubt all of the apparitions of Mary.

  • CMLD3

    It means what it says Marie. There are no qualifications in the definition itself. It is quite clear because it is a definition. Inculpable ignorance may absolve one of judgement for that particular sin of which you may be ignorant, however, inculpable ignorance is not salvific.